This brother in Christ is the one who brought me to Jesus Christ. I will always be eternally grateful to him for telling me about Jesus.
We had a really great discussion about the rapture and its timing. He believes that the wrath of the Antichrist is different from that of God’s and Christians will be spared from God’s wrath but not necessarily the Antichrist’s. Respectfully, I disagree with that position. I think it is pretty clear in Scripture that the wrath [persecution] of the Antichrist towards believers and God’s plagues [Seals, Bowls, and the Trumpets] are both God’s wrath on mankind.
Below is our exchange.
You’ve taken on a heavy topic brother! I encourage you to keep it up. This really motivates deeper study. I agree 100% that Christians will not face God’s wrath, neither on earth nor ever in hell.
Where my view might differ from yours is in the question of what exactly constitutes the wrath of God during the Great Tribulation and when exactly (during the Great Tribulation) that wrath begins. It seems to me that not all of the Great Tribulation is purely the wrath of God. Some of it is the wrath of Satan or the Antichrist against God’s people (12:12,17; 13:7; 20:4). Other parts are God’s wrath against the ungodly and against Satan himself (16:1; 18:8; 20:10).
So I think it’s possible for Christians to go through a part of the Great Tribulation yet not face God’s wrath.
Let’s keep the dialog going.
Your friend and brother,
This was my response…
I appreciate the reply.
34 “Be on your guard, so that your minds are not dulled from carousing, drunkenness, and worries of life, or that day will come on you unexpectedly 35 like a trap. For it will come on all who live on the face of the whole earth. 36 But be alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are going to take place and to stand before the Son of Man.”
If you notice in Luke 21 [to escape all these things], it encompasses everything that is seen in Revelation from Chapter 6 and onward which suggests that those who are living a spiritual life in obedience to God’s Word are confirming that their faith in Christ is genuine and thus will be spared from the coming wrath of God [1 Thes. 1:10, 4:16-17, 5:9]
The seals reveal the Antichrist and his conquest [Revelation 6] and in Matthew 24:15-16 which says, 15 “So when you see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place” (let the reader understand), 16 “then those in Judea must flee to the mountains. It shows that the Great Tribulation starts when the Antichrist puts his image in the corner of the third temple and claims to be God [2 Thes. 2:4] which tells the reader to flee for their lives which constitutes the start or the beginning of God’s wrath.
God’s wrath is poured out through many ways. For some examples: Ruthless men from Babylon, to punish the Israelites for their sins. God Himself throws hailstones at Israel’s enemies to destroy them.
God’s wrath is seen through both, human hands and His own.
I think that the Holy Scripture is pretty clear that the wrath of God starts with the seals [Antichrist coming out in the first seals] and forward.