Have you ever heard these from an Atheist?
- You [Christians] believe in a man that lives in the sky
- Show me God so that I may believe
- Prove to me that He exists
An Atheist does not want proof for God existence, even though they ask for it, that is because of their conscience [convicting them of sin]. By convincing themselves that God is not real, it will stifle their conscience and silence the guilt they feel in the type of life they are living. They want to continue to wallow in their sins like a pig does in the mud without feeling guilty.
Here is the death of the belief of Atheism
Revelation 20:6
6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.
Zechariah 14:3-4
3 Then the Lord will go out to fight against those nations as he fights on a day of battle. 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.
Zechariah 14:9
9 On that day the Lord will become King over the whole earth—the Lord alone, and his name alone.
Zechariah 14:16-18
16 Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord of Armies, and to celebrate the Festival of Shelters. 17 Should any of the families of the earth not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of Armies, rain will not fall on them. 18 And if the people of Egypt will not go up and enter, then rain will not fall on them; this will be the plague the Lord inflicts on the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Shelters.
Jesus will be King of kings and Lord of lords in His millennial reign here on earth. The Atheist can no longer say, show us God because He will physically be in Jerusalem.
Did you know that when an Atheist dies he becomes an on-the-spot evangelist? Read below
Luke 16:22-23, 27-28
22 One day the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torment in Hades, he looked up and saw Abraham a long way off, with Lazarus at his side.
27 “‘Father,’ he said, ‘then I beg you to send him to my father’s house— 28 because I have five brothers—to warn them, so they won’t also come to this place of torment.’
The sad part is that it will be too late for the Atheist.
At the second coming of Jesus Christ, the religion of Atheism will cease.
Spiritual Minefield 
Interesting post Spaniardviii but a very key message. At the end of the day, it’s atheists and those that don’t accept Christ that are ultimately going to be separated from God.
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Amen Joshua, Atheism won’t last too long because Christ return is near
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Most atheists I know of say they reject the claims of theism due to a lack of evidence.
Some atheists wish there was proof so they COULD believe. Others appreciate that there is no evidence so they don’t have to believe.
Antitheists say they’re not only confident that there is no God, but they are also glad there isn’t. Because they think it would be an awful thing if God were, in fact, true.
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The Atheist have all the evidence they need that God exist. They choose to reject God because they prefer their sinful lifestyle.
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You clearly have no idea what actual evidence is. If anyone had real evidence for the existence of God, they’d have a Nobel Prize. But they don’t… Cuz they don’t.
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Your statement is full of nonsense meaning void of any logic. All of creation is so complex that it would awestruck a person knowing its finest detail on how it really works. No one in their right mind would say that a computer evolved in millions of years, that would be ridiculous. Creation is even much more complex and to say, I still don’t see evidence of a Creator, is to purposely make oneself feeble-minded. Atheism is one of the dumbest beliefs out there that I have come across. I think that you and your posse [Atheists] just love sin too much and purposely are making yourselves blind so that you may continue in it.
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Hi guys. I’m a, no I won’t use that word, I’m a nonbeliever. I think it may not be possible for you to imagine a world without God, just as I cannot imagine a universe with any gods, even the god of Abraham. Religion is a scam. The clergy and parents pass on this delusion of an afterlife, salvation and especially of resurrection, which is the ultimate desire because truly everything dies. You say there is something there, I say there isn’t. You say there is life after death, I say there isn’t. It is really that simple. GROG
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Hello grogalot, I appreciate your visit and your comment. I think that creation emphatically disagrees with your assessment. The word “Nothing” cannot create anything. An explosion does not create order, but disorder. That is easy to prove. Round up a lot of different materials and in the middle put a TNT and see if it causes order or disorder. Ignorance is not logic. A lot of atheists do not want to believe in God because of their sins in their lives. They love to live in it. The notion that there is a God, brings to mind judgment for a person’s behavior.
You can choose to believe that you came from a monkey and the monkey came from a tadpole and the tadpole came from nothing.
Ignorance won’t be a good excuse at the judgment seat of Christ. Good luck with that.
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All I can say it, you have been thoroughly scammed. You folks are certainly judgmental. GROG
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Trust me, grogalot, it is the reversal. You would need more faith to believe in the Planet of the Apes that came from nowhere, created from no one than a being creating all things.
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Trust you? Hardly! I’m of the opinion that religion is a mental illness. The religious are basically narcissistic, they are so much in love with themselves that they believe the universe was created for them alone. GROG
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I think that mental illness are those who say that Nothing created them. I mean, to believe in craziness like that, one has to be a monkey.
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Atheism is not a belief. Your lack of understanding is astounding.
Nobody DID say a computer evolved. Evolution has nothing to do with non-living things. It is simply a change in genetic information over time.
Atheism is simply not being convinced that God exists. It is not a belief system. It’s a lack of belief.
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Hahaha….wait a minute, you are serious. No atheist were there in the beginning to observe evolution or the big fake bang theory. You need strong faith to believe in that theory. Show me a species that has been found in its transformation from one species to another? It does not exist, just like your lucy the Monkey.
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We are all transitional species. Our appendix was useful to our distant cousins. Modern rabbits use their appendix to assist in the digestion of certain plant life.
A dog’s dewclaw is a vestigial trait from their distant ancestors who used to walk on their feet. But over time, dogs traded stealth for speed and began walking on their toes.
We can see evidence for evolution everywhere. There are literally mountains of evidence… Google the Burgess Shale and you’ll see evidence going back to the Cambrian era.
Your dismissal of it says a lot about you. Frankly, you don’t know because you don’t want to know.
Incurious, uninterested, foolish, boring.
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That is all theory, my man. Has scientist found [a fossil] such as you have described? Mind you, the reason for the name, missing link, because it has not been found which your evolution belief hinges on. All you have is a theory from those who are telling you what to believe in without any evidence. Even worse, “Nothing” created you. What blows my mind is that you can easily believe that all life came from nowhere and from nobody with its complexity but you atheists choose not to believe in a Creator which makes much more sense than your monkey theory.
Show me the missing link? Show me a monkey in its transitional stage to that of a human? Show me evolution at work from a completely different species to that of another in a fossil form?
Where is your evidence?
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Austrilopithicus Afarensis (Lucy) is the ultimate transitional form, because she has the braincase of a chimp, but the bones in her pelvis show that she was bipedal. And Lucy was only the first one of her kind discovered back in the 70s.
We have dozens of near complete fossil skeletons confirming that Lucy’s species did exist, and a bunch of other species similar (but different) to her. Then there’s homo habalis (handy man), homo erectus, Neanderthal… The list goes on, and that’s just the humanoid fossils. We have enough now to overflow a swimming pool.
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Oh and by the way, look up the difference between “theory” and “scientific theory”. That should clear things up with any confusion you may have. Any time someone is referencing a scientific theory like Evolution, gravity, germ theory, etc… They mean the scientific definition, not the colloquial layman’s version.
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When I use the word theory, I use it in reference to the evolutionist belief of blind faith. I will answer later about your Lucy theory but a theory is that of basing something without observation like a species in its transformational stage to that of a completely different one. And, that “Nothing” created every living thing so yes, all of evolution in respect to humans coming from animals and the big lie bang is ALL a layman’s term called theory. I just wanted to get the record straight of what I mean by theory. There is more evidence for God than for your monkey theory. Space is growing outwardly so if you would hit rewind, it will have a beginning, suggesting a Creator.
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In reference to your statement about Lucy, those bones that they found are so unrecognizable and incomplete that it is impossible to know what it is. Anyone can find some broken and brittle bones and call it Lucy. Lucy is not a fossil, it is more like a made-up puzzle, hoping to put it or whatever it is together to make their theory true. A fossil is a species that has been preserved. Lucy is not that. It is missing its head and 80% of everything else. Lucy looks more like a Hail-Mary than evidence.
Show me a fossil that has been preserved in its transformational stage to another species?
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“It is not a belief system. It’s a lack of belief.”
It IS a belief system hiding in the absence of belief. It clearly has adherents all over the world and it is gaining membership from disillusioned Muslims and pseudo-Christians etc. It is an excuse from having to defend the all too common “No evidence” assertion that rests solely at substantiating such position by way of condescension.
Let’s get past hiding through the ‘no evidence’ drill and be honest with the life-changing crossroad you’ve had to personally endure that caused you to reject God. Honesty is always the best policy.
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Apparently you stopped reading at Lucy, which WAS incomplete as you say. But since then, they’ve found complete skeletons that verify & confirmed the findings.
Regarding your poor understanding of how evolution works, one person doesn’t change into another species. That’s not how it works. Over deep time, though, genetic information changes. So a species evolves slowly over deep time. That’s why you can trace how one species gradually change. Darwin’s finches were isolated and developed different traits based on their environmental surroundings.
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” But since then, they’ve found complete skeletons that verify & confirmed the findings.”
Says who? come on man, they will say anything and make you believe that they have found more evidence to substantiate their theory without real evidence. Again, you haven’t provided me with a fossil in the middle of its transformation. What was your answer for that, “Regarding your poor understanding of how evolution works, one person doesn’t change into another species. That’s not how it works. Over deep time, though, genetic information changes. So a species evolves slowly over deep time.”
So, time is your fall back, which gives no evidence and makes you have blind faith since you were not alive at the time to witness a transformation.
Evolution is ALL theory with a guy who came up with it [invented] back in the 1800’s. Before that time no one believed in evolution or even hinted in believing that animals evolved into humans in millions of years.
Soon you will say that we came from a rock…lol, wait a minute….”You Owe Your Life to Rock” according to sciencemag.org
Wow, how insane are you atheists. You guys couldn’t be happy just coming from a monkey, now you have to come from a rock. I wonder what else you guys will believe in?
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No proponent of evolution says we came from a rock.
If you want the evidence, all you have to do is do a Google image search for “hominid fossils”. The results will ASTOUND anyone who is genuinely open to proof, and not stuck in their dogmatic box.
You have a book, written by flawed humans, about a God who can supposedly create an entire universe in 6 days, but can’t write that book HIMSELF to explain who he is or what he wants.
Meanwhile, we have real, tangible evidence for evolution. Darwin’s theory was a great start, but he didn’t have modern technology to help him test his theory. He didn’t know much about genetics. He didn’t know about DNA. He had no idea about the human Genome. He actually got a lot wrong. But his general theory that species change over time proved to be correct, and modern science can prove it. If you don’t want to know about it, then you’ll consign yourself to the dustbin of history while the rest of the world continues to learn without you.
Darwin sat on his work for a long time before publishing because he knew it was going to fly in the face of religion, and his wife was a committed Christian. So was Darwin, actually, before his voyage on the HMS Beagle. He had originally planned to enter the ministry, but fate had other plans for young Charles.
Google “hominid fossils”. We have the bones. Are they human, or are they ape? Upon close examination, the correct answer can only be “Yes”.
We ARE apes… Fancy, pretty apes with big brains and less hair.
If you’re choosing to deny the scientific discoveries of human origins because you’re afraid it will challenge your belief in the supernatural, I understand, and even sympathize. We don’t like to have our core beliefs challenged, never mind debunked. But the facts are what the facts are, irrespective of whether it’s comfortable or not. Sometimes you have to take the blinders off the horse and let him look around a bit.
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Blah blah…
I don’t reject God. Because he doesn’t appear to exist.
But I can tell you that if you could prove to me that he does exist, then I WOULD reject God. Right to his face.
The God of the Bible is an immoral monster, and deserves to be rebuked for all of the atrocities carried out in his name.
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“No proponent of evolution says we came from a rock.”
LOL…I gave you the source but since atheists don’t believe in sin, all of them don’t mind lying.
“The results will ASTOUND anyone who is genuinely open to proof, and not stuck in their dogmatic box.”
You must be joking! There is absolutely no evidence for your missing link. Atheism is not a fact but a theory who wants to throw God out so one can live in sin.
“You have a book, written by flawed humans, about a God who can supposedly create an entire universe in 6 days, but can’t write that book HIMSELF to explain who he is or what he wants.”
These men who wrote the Word of God had the Holy Spirit inside of them and God chose to use His children to write it. You can’t believe that God can create the universe in 6 days but you can believe that “Nothing” is your creator and you came from “Nothing” for “Nothing”….lol
“Darwin’s theory was a great start, but he didn’t have modern technology to help him test his theory.”
So, the man guessed that you came from a rock who turned into a monkey…lol and now science proved that all life and even space just came into existence out of thin air…how insane do you atheists have to be to believe in nonsense.
“He didn’t know much about genetics. He didn’t know about DNA. He had no idea about the human Genome.”
You are staking your life on a guy [Darwin] who had no clue and knew nothing about the origin of humans? When you die and meet your Maker, atheism [ignorance] won’t help you. You love sin, that is why you choose to deny the undeniable with creation being the evidence. You just don’t want to give up your lust, greed, hatred, and any other sinful grip in your life. So, you do what is best and deny accountability.
“Google “hominid fossils”. We have the bones. Are they human, or are they ape? Upon close examination, the correct answer can only be “Yes”. We ARE apes… Fancy, pretty apes with big brains and less hair.”
There you go, no evidence just guesswork. For the fourth or fifth time, I want you to show me a fossil in its transformation from one species to another one? Stop telling me to look for something that does not exist. I want YOU to show it to me.
“We don’t like to have our core beliefs challenged, never mind debunked. But the facts are what the facts are, irrespective of whether it’s comfortable or not. Sometimes you have to take the blinders off the horse and let him look around a bit.”
LOL…atheism cannot challenge my beliefs in Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior. How can a lie challenge the truth, come on man, atheism is a joke? Look at the prophecies of Scripture, especially Israel who were destroyed in 70 A.D. and Israel did not exist any longer. But, in Scripture, it said that God would bring them back. In 1948, they became a nation again and the language which was dead, like Latin, revived again. No other people, a nation that has disappeared have revived again.
You have the right to accept God or reject Him. It seems that you have chosen to live in sin rather than live in righteousness.
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If your private life were broadcast for all to see, you can prove your moral superiority I’m sure. You and your atheist comrades support the most inhumane policies man has come to know and yet you have the audacity to point fingers. Lastly your intro literally just proved my previous statement to you – holding a position that can only be substantiated by mere expressions of condescension and derision. Peace to you and while you are alive, there’s hope for you.
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“But I can tell you that if you could prove to me that he does exist, then I WOULD reject God. Right to his face.”
Look at that, you just proved to me that it doesn’t matter to you if there is evidence for God, you would still reject Him. You LOVE sin too much in your life to accept the Living God. WOW!
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I think your concept of sin is ridiculous.
Besides, everybody knows that the whole Adam and Eve thing, & everything else in Genesis never actually happened. So there really was no ‘Original Sin’.
Due to blasphemes comments at the end, I will not allow it to be shown-SpaniardVIII
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I wish you peace as well, but until you know the details of my positions, I’d appreciate it if you wouldn’t be so judgemental.
Most atheists I know promote tolerance and equality. It doesn’t get more humane than that.
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“I’d appreciate it if you wouldn’t be so judgemental.” – Reread your comments to Spaniard and see if you have the right to call me judgmental. It does not bother me though.
Also, you are not the only atheist I have dealt with and your definition of humane does not cut it. You all assert the same thing- that you are more moral than God who is the origin of morality.
Combine the body count of atrocities done in the name of irreligious regimes and you will be astounded at the discovery that you have been promoting fake news with your “atrocities” done in the name of religion.
I do hope you reconsider your position. Take care!
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So I practically spoon feed you the evidence (Google hominid fossils), and you keep saying ‘show me the evidence’. I mean, I’m giving you the tools. Whether you use them or not is up to you.
The only person I’ve ever heard say we came from a rock is Kent Hovind when he’s mocking proponents of evolution.
But people who accept the theory of evolution as true never use those words… because it’s nonsense. It’s a straw man fallacy that theists use, but it completely misstates the facts, and makes you look foolish.
I didn’t come from a rock. I came from my parents, who had sex and produced a child. Nothing magical or miraculous about it. Certainly didn’t rely on a creator to make it happen.
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“I think your concept of sin is ridiculous. Besides, everybody knows that the whole Adam and Eve thing, & everything else in Genesis never actually happened. So there really was no ‘Original Sin’.”
LOL, this is too easy, you just prove me right that it doesn’t matter to you if God is real, you love sin too much to let it go. You can make fun of the Bible all you like, the real reason you do it is to kill your conscience and try to convince yourself that being wicked is okay. Good luck with that.
For the rest of you sorry argument, I will not post it because you did at the end blasphemed my God which I will not showcase it in my blog. And, the rest is just a waste of my time since you said, “But I can tell you that if you could prove to me that he does exist, then I WOULD reject God. Right to his face.”
By providing plenty of evidence means nothing to you since you will not be convinced of any anyhow, according to your statement. I cannot be convinced of the Planet of the Apes theory, sorry…
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“So I practically spoon feed you the evidence (Google hominid fossils), and you keep saying ‘show me the evidence’. I mean, I’m giving you the tools. Whether you use them or not is up to you.”
You spoon feed me refuse not evidence. Again, for the last time…show me the plenty of evidence that you are lying about?
“The only person I’ve ever heard say we came from a rock is Kent Hovind when he’s mocking proponents of evolution.”
I gave you the source…you just don’t want to believe in something so silly yet you believe in monkey-boy
“It’s a straw man fallacy that theists use, but it completely misstates the facts, and makes you look foolish.”
By far you are the brightest atheist of the bunch… lol, theists look foolish? We look foolish by your MISSING link evidence, really…lol You should be a stand-up comedian
“I didn’t come from a rock.”
According to your posse [scientist], you sure did.
“I came from my parents, who had sex and produced a child.”
You mean, I came from monkeys…lol You were born under a banana tree.
Alright man, you already proved to me that evidence is not a factor for you. You already confessed that no amount of evidence for God’s existence will make you believe in Him. I’m done with this nowhere conversation.
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I can’t think of a single atrocity committed in the name of atheism. But I can think of a TON done in the name of God.
Stalin killed millions, but it was because he was a despot with a lust for power.
Who’s next? Hitler? He was a Roman Catholic! The Vatican celebrated his birthday every year till he died. His first treaty was with the Vatican. His troops wore belt buckles that said Gott Mit Uns with means “God on our side”.
But even if I grant you the Hitler being an atheist thing (because in fairness, his religious views were… Complicated), did he or any of the other murderous jackoffs of the 20th century ever declare that they were committing these deeds in the name of atheism? No.
Thank you, next. 😁
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“Stalin killed millions, but it was because he was a despot with a lust for power.” – Can you tell me if he ever felt conscientious with what he did? Only people who have no regard for life can discard life to such a degree.
“Who’s next? Hitler? He was a Roman Catholic!” – Anyone can have a claim to religion and yet non-practicing and this is the one that does more damage. The fact that he deemed the Jews to be inferior and should be exterminated is an example of his adherence to evolutionist thought – survival of the fittest.
“did he or any of the other murderous jackoffs of the 20th century ever declare that they were committing these deeds in the name of atheism?” – Hmmm, weren’t you the one who asserted that Atheism is the lack of belief? These men’s actions clearly show they have no regard for God, ergo making them atheists. How then can they claim their murder sprees in the name of Atheism when it is obvious you guys tend to vacillate on the true definition – Atheism is the denial of the existence of God and is exaltation of man.
You’re forgetting Mao of China and all the other communist leaders in Asia who hold to irreligious ideologies.
And yes, your smug emoji is quite convincing.
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The Atheist have all the evidence they need that God exist.
There are serious problems with the claim that any god exists, let alone the God of Christianity. The fact that we have no reliable method of investigation, which allows us to conclude that God exists, is enough to justify my skepticism.
But, I’m curious. What, if anything, would you say is the best evidence that leads to the rational justification that the Christian God exists?
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Two words, resurrection of Christ and prophecy.
1. Over 500 people witnessed Jesus’ resurrection. Most of those folks died for preaching Jesus’ resurrection. No one would die for lie that they made up. It is one thing to deceive an individual but the one who said that he witnessed it would not die for that which he made up.
2. Prophecy-Israel did not exist for 2000 years which they were massacred by the Romans in 70 A.D. The Bible prophesied that the Jews would come back to their homeland and in 1948, the Jewish state was born. Look down through history and ask yourself this question, why did the nations of the world hated the Jews so much as to have a strong desire to wipe them off the face of the world? The answer is that those nations that hated the Jewish people were influenced by Satan and now after 2000 years they have revived. No other nations of antiquity who have disappeared have EVER come back.
God is not only alive but the true God is Jesus Christ the One who created the heavens and the earth. By placing your in faith in Him and what He did for you at the cross that He died for your sins and on the third day He rose from the grave, you will receive eternal life.
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1. Over 500 people witnessed Jesus’ resurrection. Most of those folks died for preaching Jesus’ resurrection. No one would die for lie that they made up. It is one thing to deceive an individual but the one who said that he witnessed it would not die for that which he made up.
Regarding the 500 witnesses, the only source we have for this claim is a letter that Paul wrote (most scholars believe that Paul wrote 1 Corinthians), but we have no idea what these people actually saw. We have no first person testimony from any of these people, and we have no other corroboration of this. It’s entirely possible that this is an extremely exaggerated claim, if not completely made up.
As for the idea that “most of those folks died for preaching Jesus’ resurrection”, there is actually very little evidence that this claim is true, and we know virtually nothing about how most of the disciples died. All we have is what church tradition teaches us about them, and I see little reason to believe that these sources are reliable. Even if they did die martyrs deaths, at best this tells us that they didn’t completely make up the story about Jesus’ resurrection. If the disciples believed that the lie of Jesus’ resurrection was worth dying for, their deaths do nothing to establish that Jesus actually rose from the dead.
Even if they didn’t make up the story, it’s entirely possible that they could have sincerely believed that Jesus was resurrected, without Jesus being resurrected. We’re talking about ignorant, superstitious people living in an ignorant and superstitious age.
Now, while I regard the conspiracy hypothesis as very unlikely, it’s still seems vastly more likely (given that we know conspiracies are possible) than somebody rising from the dead (which we don’t know to be possible.)
2. Prophecy-Israel did not exist for 2000 years which they were massacred by the Romans in 70 A.D. The Bible prophesied that the Jews would come back to their homeland and in 1948, the Jewish state was born.
And I can make a prophecy that I’m going to eat a giant steak dinner tonight, but I shouldn’t be surprised when I go to a restaurant and order a steak dinner that it shows up on my plate. There’s absolutely nothing about the creation of Israel that we should regard as evidence of God, especially considering that this prophecy would have been well known, and people would have worked to make it happen. Self fulfilling prophecies aren’t that impressive.
Look down through history and ask yourself this question, why did the nations of the world hated the Jews so much as to have a strong desire to wipe them off the face of the world? The answer is that those nations that hated the Jewish people were influenced by Satan and now after 2000 years they have revived.
You have no credible evidence to support your claim that the hatred of Jews was because of Satan’s influence. Antisemitism has been a significant part of Christianity for many centuries, Luther wrote his famous “On the Jews and Their Lies” almost 500 years ago. Blaming the Jews for deicide has a long tradition among Christians.
No other nations of antiquity who have disappeared have EVER come back.
And if one did, would you consider your religion false? If not, this isn’t evidence for your claim.
By placing your in faith in Him and what He did for you at the cross that He died for your sins and on the third day He rose from the grave, you will receive eternal life.
Let’s suppose it’s true that Jesus actually did rise from the dead. How does that tell us that:
1. Jesus is God
2. That there is an afterlife
3. That this afterlife is affected by what I believe about Jesus?
Even if Jesus rose from the dead, Christianity doesn’t follow from that.
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The thing is that when a person has made up their mind to reject the living God, Jesus Christ, it doesn’t matter the amount of evidence that I can provide for you sir, you will reject it or come with another excuse. When the evidence of the Jewish nation being reborn according to Bible prophecy, you say I see no evidence. I provided you with the evidence and you say I see none so we are back to the beginning showing me that you don’t want to see the Truth. You have a wonderful day sir.
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The thing is that when a person has made up their mind to reject the living God, Jesus Christ, it doesn’t matter the amount of evidence that I can provide for you sir, you will reject it or come with another excuse.
It’s not a matter of making up their mind to reject Jesus, it’s about having a demonstrable reliable epistemology, and following the evidence where it leads. What you’re calling “evidence”, doesn’t seem to meet the criteria that I hold, given my epistemology, for convincing me that you are correct in your beliefs.
When the evidence of the Jewish nation being reborn according to Bible prophecy, you say I see no evidence
I’m saying that this prophecy is much more easily explained by people working to fulfill this supposed prophecy. I liken it to a self-fulling prophecy, and think that we don’t need to appeal to things we haven’t yet confirmed exist in order to explain this.
You have a wonderful day sir.
You too.
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