Did An Atheist Who Was A Christian Before Have The Holy Spirit?

Hebrews 6:4-6
4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age— 6 and then have fallen away—to be restored to repentance, because they themselves are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting Him to open shame.

As you can see with the verses above, a person can partake in the ministry but they at one point in time, decide to apostatize (walk away), making up their minds to reject Jesus Christ.

Look at the words and phrases which express not being committed yet to the Lord.

  • Enlightened
  • Tasted heavenly gifts
  • Shared in the work of the Holy Spirit
  • Tested the goodness of God’s Word

These words show a person who at one point in his life took the Bible for what it said, saw the spiritual gifts in action, the works of the Holy Spirit, and how good God’s Word is to people, bringing them from death to life.

So, the words: tasted and shared can be understood in the life of Judas Iscariot who belonged to the devil, as he was going to betray Jesus, and yet this man was enlightened, tasted and shared in the ministry of Jesus Christ even though Jesus called him a devil in John 6. Tasting and sharing is a person who’s getting their feet wet if I can use that analogy. The person is not all the way in the water. They have just gotten their feet wet but not the whole body, symbolizing salvation through immersion.

There are some people who like what Christianity teaches but haven’t, in their hearts and minds, given themselves wholly to Jesus Christ. That is a person who is in danger of falling away because they still don’t have the Holy Spirit.

For those who are genuinely saved, the Holy Spirit will never ever leave that person. A person who leaves Jesus shows that there was always a vacancy of the Holy Spirit in their heart.

The Permanency Of The Holy Spirit Dwelling In A Person At Conversion

15 If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. 16 And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocate to be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you do know Him, for He abides with you and will be in you.

John 14:15-17 BSB

Those Who Never Had The Holy Spirit And Walked Away, But At One Time Professed To Be A Christian

They went out from us, but they did not belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. But their departure made it clear that none of them belonged to us.

1 John 2:19 BSB

24 thoughts on “Did An Atheist Who Was A Christian Before Have The Holy Spirit?

  1. That Hebrews verse you quoted says those who have been Christians and walk away can’t come back. It says its because jesus would keep on being crucified.

    Your god is so bad at forgiveness that he can’t take them back.

    This does not paint your god in a good light.

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  2. Do you actually read when you go to a post? Or, do you just spew out your ranting without actually knowing what the verses are saying? Look at 1 John 2:19, which I quoted. If you would take the time to read it, you wouldn’t sound clueless.

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  3. Here is another verse for you, Limey which shows a believer not staying down and defeated.

    Proverbs 24:16
    For though a righteous man may fall seven times, he still gets up; but the wicked stumble in bad times.

    A false convert like your buddy, Bruce, fell and stayed down showing that he wasn’t righteous.

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  4. “Your god is so bad at forgiveness that he can’t take them back.”

    Actually, it is not because He is bad at forgiveness. If you had a wife who told you she no longer wants to be with you, will you force her to stay with you even when she clearly says she wants nothing to do with you? This is free will at work.

    For someone to actually dedicate their life to the Lord in the beginning and end up doing the very exact opposite of that and make it their life’s goal to drag people’s faith in God to the ground tells you they have already chosen to reject God. Sometimes there are choices that are irreversible.

    But here is a paradox; while a person has breath, that person is free to return to the Lord, even at their dying breath. This here Limey, is how forgiving God is,

    Ezekiel 33:11 – “Say to them, ‘As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways!

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  5. Everyone’s beliefs change over time. Nobody believes everything the exact same way that he did as a kid.

    it is possible for someone to lose faith, walk away, and then come back years later. I’ve heard of cases where people temporarily lost faith and then came back years later

    Billy Graham made some doctrinally questionable statements later in life, but he didn’t openly turn apostate

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  6. The Scripture never changes. Jesus Christ never changes. Neither will true born again believers change. That is the evidence of who is a Christian and who is an apostate.

    It’s very simple. If you claim to follow Jesus then show it by obeying and believing His Word. If you want to deceive people and yourself, then say you’re a Christian but don’t do and believe what the Word of God says.

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  7. I did not claim to be Christian. I am not.

    I am not into fantasy, spirits, demons, angels, gods, and devils.

    Satan is just an invisible boogeyman. Christians can’t live without him. Christianity is ultimately far more about hell and Satan than about God and Christ

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  8. I didn’t say all of Christianity is a fantasy.

    Do I believe A GOD exists? Yes.

    Do I believe in evolution? No.

    Do I believe supernatural entities in the spirit realm, exist? Yes.

    Do I believe we should be contacting such beings? No.

    Do I believe there is a literal evil overlord responsible for all the evil in the world? No.

    The summary of Christianity that humans are helpless pawns caught in a game of chess and forced to choose sides. To me, the whole business of heaven and hell is increasingly two sides of the same coin.

    What I want more than anything is for someone to conclusively, scientifically, categorically prove what happens after death. But the problem is- people who had out of body experiences all give varying testimonies.

    Some saw Heaven. Some saw Hell. Some see nothing.

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  9. You cannot accept some parts of the Bible and reject the others. To me, you are rejecting what you don’t like. You pick and choose, that is not how things work. Either you accept what the Scripture says or you don’t.

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  10. “He’s not some evil overlord. He’s probably just some angel doing God’s dirty work.”

    – The wording you used here implicates God to be the mastermind of evil which is erroneous.

    “The real devils are none other than humans ourselves.”

    – Your assumption here contradicts what Scripture reveals in 2 Timothy 2:26, “Then they will come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, who has taken them captive to his will.”

    Another clear passage regarding the mastermind of evil can be also seen in Revelation 12:9, “And the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.”

    Scripture is very clear that the devil has his hand in man’s disobedience. We can go back to that in the very beginning in Genesis 3:1 and with what you already mentioned in Job and the temptation of Jesus. Your last sentence pretty much nullifies everything you stated prior to that.

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  11. Isaiah 45:7- I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

    In the OT, the primary enemies of Yahweh and Israel were other humans. Not Satan.

    In Job, God gave Satan full permission to attack and persecute Job in order to test his faith. But he did not allow Satan to kill Job.

    In Matthew, Satan does more of the same thing. He tempts Jesus with money and power, but does not physically harm Jesus.

    Satan never forces anyone to sin. We choose to sin freely.

    To me, this character is a fall guy. A scapegoat to blame all our troubles on. The blame rests on us.

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  12. If we literally interpret everything in the Bible, we’d have to believe that the first humans populated the world through massive multigenerational incest which is impossible and would destroy the species.

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  13. The word “evil” in Isaiah 45:7 is not evil like you think it means. You quoted the KJV which the English is outdated. The Hebrew word for evil is calamity. Read a more contemporary translation. God does not created sin (evil).

    Satan in the old testament works through people. Look and see who is behind the idols. It is Satan. God’s enemies are those who work the works of Satan.

    You said “Satan never forced anyone to sin”

    Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and withhold some of the proceeds from the land? -Acts 5:3

    The verse above says that Satan tempts people to sin. In the end it’s our decision, but Satan is there helping you make the wrong one.

    Satan is a real person. And, he is out there looking for people like you to devour. So far, it’s working.

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  14. God is in control and in the beginning, that was the way it was to populate the earth. Your logic is illogical because you assume that multiple people, in the beginning, existed at the same time. That is ridiculous. There was a first person named Adam who God gave him a wife named Eve.

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  15. Of course, there were other humans existing in addition to Adam and Eve. Where do you think Cain found his wife and started a city? Where did Seth found his wife? What about their descendants?

    I don’t doubt someone named Adam existed at some point in the past. I just don’t think all humans descended from 1 man and 1 woman. There had to have been an initial population of humans who existed simultaneously alongside Adam and Eve for the human race to descend from without resorting to incest.

    Most humans, Christian or non-Christian, are born with an instinctive desire to avoid sexual relations with brothers, sisters, and cousins anyway. And we are rightfully repulsed when people engage in incest.

    Are we seriously going to defend incest in this context?

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  16. I am not demon-possessed nor am I into anything related to the occult or spiritualism. Both of you guys are wrong. I am not religious at all, in fact. I’ve been non-religious my whole life.

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  17. This will be my last reply.

    The concept of incest became prohibited or sinful after the fact that many people were on the face of the earth. No matter if you believe in evolution or in biblical creation, there had to be a beginning for two creatures, male and female to create the rest. I don’t care how you look at it. A male and female had to coexist to make more of the same kind.

    Your illogical thinking some how brings about from thin air multiple people existing all at the same time. That is false.

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  18. I don’t hate somebody because he’s Christian. What annoys is that this Satan character is used as a cowardly straw man to accuse, slander, and shut down people’s arguments when they don’t agree with.

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  19. It’s your choice what you want to do with the truth. Accept Jesus for what He did for you on the cross like the Scripture says or deny and continue to walk in your sins. No one is going to force you which way you should go.

    Take care Elliot.

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  20. “To me, this character is a fall guy. A scapegoat to blame all our troubles on. The blame rests on us.”

    If you are bent on ignoring the revelation that is laid out in Genesis and Revelation as to who truly originated disobedience, then that is your choice. You are entitled to your own opinion, but it doesn’t mean you hold to the truth.

    “What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? 4 Certainly not! Let God be TRUE and every man a liar.” – Romans 3:3-4a.

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  21. “Of course, there were other humans existing in addition to Adam and Eve. Where do you think Cain found his wife and started a city? Where did Seth found his wife? What about their descendants?”

    – For someone to be asking questions, you seem to be very certain on your assertion. Can you cite a credible source on your speculation?

    You mention that we are rightfully repulsed when people engage in incest. Genesis 20:12 shows us that the first Hebrew, Abraham married his half-sister. To a skeptic, this would seem to appear that God condones sin which He does not.

    Incest was not considered incest until God gave the moral law to Moses.

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